., and, you know, south korea and russia, and that's pretty much it. so it's absolutely pervasive, their attempts to control the minds of the populace. >> yeah. you mentioned earlier something along the lines of this is like a secularized divine right of kings scenario where everything as the regime claims becomes gospel, and reality almost bends toward those claims. like it's not what you're seeing. there's a story in the book about the finish i'm sorry if i pronounce it incorrectly, but the mountain -- >> mount pektu. they always have the sing-songy thing. >> this is the mountain that's the greatest pride of any north korean -- >> right, any korean. >> right. because they don't consider it to be north korea. >> right. it's the ancestral home of all the korean people. >> right. and there's a story where kim jung-il asked a question of his advisers about what's the highest mountain in the world, and someone says mount everest? and he says, no, you're wrong, it's mount pektu, and the reason why is because height shouldn't be measured by actual height, b